Do you trust electronic voting machines?

Yes
4% (241 votes)
No
89% (5821 votes)
Not Sure
7% (485 votes)
Total votes: 6547

Kucinich gets Impeachment of Cheney to Judiciary

I thought it would never get to the floor but the man pulled it off with bi-partisan support. Congratulations on a first of many steps to a return of accountability and legitimacy in Washington. Wake up Pelosi - Impeachment is ON THE TABLE where it should be! Dennis is the man!! Thank you, Thank you to all the Congress members who voted this to the Judiciary Committee. Now for hearings!!

As Ohio goes, so goes the Nation.

Impeacment

THE IMPEACHMENT SHOULD START AT THE TOP AND WORK IT'S WAY DOWN THROUGH THE ENTIRE CABINET! OUR COMMANDER-IN CHIEF HAS CAUSED MORE THEN 4,000 SOLDIERS TO BE KILLED, THOUSANDS OF OTHER SOLDIERS TO BE MAIMED OR INJURED! AND PRESIDENT BUSH DOES NOT CARE! AS LONG AS THE BUSH FAMILY(TIED IN WITH THE SAUDI'S) CONTINUE TO MAKE MONEY OFF OIL. THE SAME GOES FOR V.P. CHENEY AND HIS BUSINESS THAT MAKES BIG MONEY. WHY ISN'T HIS ORIGINAL CABINET STILL THERE(POWELL,RICE,ETC)? THEY SAW THE WRITING ON THE WALL!!
THIS COUNTRY IS AT IT'S ALLTIME WORST IN YEARS. THAT IS NO WAY FOR A PRESIDENT TO LEAD HIS COUNTRY. IT IS PROVEN FACT THAT WHEN THERE WAS A SITTING DEMOCATIC PRESIDENT, THE COUNTRY WAS ALWAYS IN GOOD SHAPE! THE ECONOMY WAS GOOD, PEOPLE HAD JOBS, NOT LOSING THEM AND MORE. I FEEL IT IS TIME FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO WAKE UP AND PUT THAT DEMOCRAT BACK IN OFFICE SO AMERICA CAN GO FORWARD INSTEAD OF THAT DOWNWARD SPIRAL BUSH AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE PUT US IN!!

CROOKED POLITICIANS

BUSH AND ALL HIS APPOINTEES, SHOULD ALL GO TO JAIL, FOR AT LEAST TWENTY YEARS, PLUS.

compromised machines in Florida

The following are two videos shot by Len Schmiege and Chris Harbovsky at the Palm Harbor Library.  Chris had rented a room at the Library for a meet and greet.  In the room they found 15 unguarded voting machines from early voting which is still in progress.  Watch these starteling films and wonder.  I understand that a probono attorney is being saught to file an injunction delaying the elections till this can be invistigated.  

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBO8Bpv2ySg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSOdthPoOeo

LInks bad - get a life

Do these films even exist? Don't  you have something better to do?
MMarko

--More informaion is better than less.

VA Politics Down and Dirty by Allen Gang

Please, all Democrats, and Like minded others, please get out and vote for Jim Webb for Senate.

George Allen has lied, and distorted Webb's good name. While Jim Webb was fighting for the USA in Vietnam, winning the Navy Cross, Silver Star, and Sec of the Navy under Ronald Reagan, George Allen was playing football, and  spewing his hateful racist remarks. Allen belittles blacks, Jews, and anyone who is not a WASP. It was only a couple of months ago, Allen called a cameraman a Macaca. Allen can play dumb all he wants, but his mother is from South Africa, and the word Macaca, means "monkey" in South African. Bet, that word got throw around a lot in the Allen household.

We need Progressive candidates, who will help keep jobs in America for AMERICANS, who will secure our borders, and work for a solution to bring our troops home from Iraq.

We need to get on with stem cell research, as I have a father with Parkinson's Disease, and a mother with Alzheimer.

On NOV 7, 2006   VOTE----VOTE---VOTE

Jim Webb...Senate

Shawn O'Donnell, House of Rep.

and TOGETHER, WE CAN CLEAN HOUSE IN WASHINGTON D.C.

Thank you, Virginia voters.................Karan

Clean House in Virginia or any state.

the objective is to elect representatives who are honest, think for themselves and their constituents, regardless mof their party affiliation and to vote their conscience not necessarily what the party wants. This is honest politics and fair representation. No one party is right all the time.

I agree that cleaning house

I agree that cleaning house is the way to go. However, can you really name a Republican who is honest and thinks for himself? It goes against their core beliefs to do so. I sometimes think of Arlen Spector as a decent Republican and then he turns around and sticks in a provision of the un-Patriot-ic Act at midnight that allows firing and re-hiring of US attorneys w/out Senate confirmation. The only reason for doing so was to further corrupt the legal system by slanting prosectuion away from Republicans and towards Democrats, whether or not there is evidence to do so. And now, new evidence suggests that the real reason behind this was to disenfranchise more Democratic voters (especilly African American and other minorities) in swing states in the 2008 election! Thus, we now have the Abu Gonzalez scandal, which could lead to prosecution and impeachment leading to the White House. That is, if the Dems have the spine to do so. Lets face it. All Republicans and a large number of Democrats are corrupt. Yeah, let's all clean house, but not with ANY Republicans.

Lets CLean House, NO INCUMBANTS

I Definately agree,
We need to clean out Every One of the almost 600 US Senators and Congressman who Aid and abbet, the mass murderer, Traitor, and Worlds Head Terrorist, Living in the White House. They can't take away Civil Liberties Fast Enough and BURNING the US CONSTITUTION Makes it that much easier. The Only Ones to gain, Starting with Requiring Id to board a Plane, installing Video Cameras across America, to Building the American-Berlin Wall, is the US Government. There is No Valid reaon for any of this, Nobody in the world needs to know where any American is unless there is a Warrant out for them, and there is a Procedure for that, allready Covered by the
US Constitution. He has managed to get The American People to pay for training Our Armed Forces against Terrorism, so when their training is over they can train those weapons on Americans instead of the Training country of Iraq, where they defend the Oil and Natural Gas lines, Which is why Iraq was the Chosen Training ground. SO Yes We HAVE TO Get all Incumbants out of Office, and start with Hopefully Honest Americans that havent been Blackmailed, Bribed, Coerced, or Intimidated into Breaking an Oath of OFfice like Those In the US SENATE and CONGRESS now

John Bonifaz on Diebold in Massachusetts

!!Go Tennessee!!

Tennessee Young, Middle, and Old need to get out and vote for democrats.!!

GO TENNESSEE!

Voting Machines

Hi, is there any way we can assure that every votes counts and everyone gets the opportunity to cast their vote? We CAN'T let the Repugs do the same thing that happened twice before. I know many people that are anticipating a win in November but on the other hand they are worried about another stolen election. We can only hope we win and win big! Let's all keep our eyes out for evil doings by the Decider and his cronies!

We shall win. Peace to all....

Making your vote count

We in northern Arizona have found a way to make sure that our vote is accurate and counted. We vote at home. As long as it arrives at the local voter registration office, it is counted by hand. There are no computers or other machines used. We know that our vote is actually counted. More and more citizens are using this convenience, not because they are housebound or otherwise restricted, but to make sure that an electronic voting machine is not used.
Vote from home...make sure your vote is COUNTED...not stuffed into or spit out of a machine!!

Ned Lamont

Hey Democrats of Connecticut..............Ned needs our votes!.........Make sure you get out there and we will win!!!!!

ned lamont. thread

yeah, Ned is THE MAN.

Unfortunately I live in New York.

Here we have Hilary Clinton, and Chuck Schumer.

Chuck is not running this year.

I was favorably impressed with Hilary C. at the A.F.S.M.E. Convention last summer (in terms of image, and in saying a few of the right things to that assemblage). Unfortunately I see her as Pro-War, and I have a tendency to identify her with her husband's administration. Mr. Clinton's administration was far superior to that of Mr. Bush, and yet some of the features that I remember about it were:

1) the growth of corporate power during that time was unchecked.

2) the administration gave Lip Service to Civil Rights while doing nothing of substance in the field.

3) welfare "reform".

4) bombing civilians in kosovo and serbia.

therefore I'm voting for the green Party candidate for US Senate in Hilary's race.

 

Dont forget Bombing Civilians-Americans in

Dont forget the Bombing in Oklahoma City, they had done to take American Government buildings away from Americans and Require us to have to go thru metal detectors instead of walking in like we are supposed to be able to, start requiring Americans to have ID to Board an airplane, or those Invisible Weapons both Bill and Hillary have no problem handing out to anybody who has evidence against them, that would put them in Prison where they should be.
Mike Stephens

Voting Machines

Timothy Porter

Voting machines are kind of like a new car you would like to buy. It looks great, it's got all the options you prefer, the color matches your wifes' eyes, the sales price is terrifically low and you're thinking...... Hmmmmm.

I wonder what the finance rates are? How many miles is the warranty good for?  Have the new concepts of the engine and its' guaranteed mileage rating been approved by independent researchers? Is this car manufactured nhere in the US? Is ths a reputable dealership? ......... Hmmmmm

It really looks tempting and it's exactly what my family and I need.  .........Hmmmmm

I think I'll wait until it's been out long enough to have a proven track record. I'm not sure if I'm ready to trade in "old Betsy" just yet. Anyway, I don't know if the new car would be the right thing for my daughter when she's ready to go off to college.

Hmmmm........ This is a really hard decision. I think I'll pray about it and hope it turns out to be good for the environment.  ........ Hmmmmmm  

Even you can hack a diebold

Just Google "hack a diebold voting machine" for several sites with explicit instructions, all publicly available.

 

You can hack a Diebold machine if you have the following skills:

Can use a screwdriver.

Can put a small thumbsize drive into the slot designed for it on a circuit board

The only other thing you need is 2 minutes of privacy unsupervised with a diebold machine (such as in a voter's booth). Or less if you work quickly.

The only thing a geek is needed for is to program the replacement drive.

But you don't have to do that. Just get one from somebody who has been preprogramming them (if you're a Young Republican, you'll probably be recommended to someone who does this).

That's it.

 

Skills you DON'T need to hack a diebold machine:

 

programming of any level whatsoever

networking skills

knowledge of any computer protocols whatsoever

how to type

mechanical aptitude beyond putting a thingee in a pre-built slot

 

In other words, this something even rich white guys can do.

Electronic Voting Machines

Electronic voting makes the act of voting meaningless, as we all know the results can be preprogrammed.  Many people I know find it disturbingly coincidental that electronic voting machines, in spite of strong resistance and reports that they were subject to easy tampering,  were pushed through in key states just in time for the 2004 elections.  I myself find it suspect.  Bush was not legitimately elected in 2000, and would never have become President without the strong-arm help of his governor brother.  He knew his reelection in 2004 was in serious jeopardy, so he (and/or the people who run him) got some insurance in the form of paperless polls.   Am I being to brash to suggest that our own politicians, including presidents, are not always honest?   Do not think election fraud is something that only happens in other countries.   It can and has happened here.  We must return to paper ballots, if only to restore confidence in our political process, but more importantly, to restore democracy in our country.   If we do not return to a more tamper-proof voting process in time for this election, we may already have witnessed the last free election in this country.  

Voting machines and Elections in general

 I have the good fortune of living in Oregon. Here we have gone to 100% "vote by mail"Now, some will say " well, there is the possibility of fraud in vote by mail as well" and of course I will agree. There is that possibility regardless of how voting is carried out. I can only say since we went to "vote by mail", turn out has improved considerably, to the best of my knowledge, there has been no huge cry of fraud, turnout has increased tremendously even in mid terms, and best of all, we have a paper trail of all votes cast. I cannot for the life of me understand why the entire country doesn't follow Oregon's lead in this simple, convenient and efficient effort.  

voting machines

I agree with rylansc!  That's clevor of Oregon, in my opinion.  Diebold is in the service of this upper crust of our American  aristocracy.  The EVM's are only going to lead to a big mess, if not more.

I think the electronic voting is cool but.....

For the primary here in FL (where else but Harris country) I strolled up to the booth and the volunteer said, "know what you're doin?", I said "yes" and proceeded to vote.  To my horror, in a closed primary, I received a Repukelican ballot!  After changing my underwear, I brought to the attention of the voting inspectors.  I was quickly hushed and they changed my ballot.  Imagine those idiots who vote by flip of the coin would react?  They wouldn't and there is how the "other guys" win elections (and buying votes).

Check out this website.

It's a national movement, started by a friend of mine, to eliminate voter fraud. After the blatant fraud in 2000 in 2004, we have to be particularly vigilant. It's great that you're informed. And you're right, think of those who aren't... And that's probably most people... :-(

 http://www.velvetrevolution.us/

 

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi

votes that count

When you vote .

Look at the machine note serial number of the machine model and type of said machine

Look at the counter on the machine, make a note of the count,wright it down.

Then post your vote if the count does not change by 1 .

Then question the people in charge.

Get the poll watcher on the stick. File a complaint right then and there.

No more being sheep lead by asses!

J

Do you trust electronic voting machines?

YOu are so clever. I don't believe people would have thought about that, given if they are pressured to get in and out.

 

Let the word out, post this all over your town...I will!

Just vote!

Whatever the faults with the various systems state by state, what is important is that we do not let it drive us from the polls in November, because then the GOP wins!  Vote fraud strikes at the heart of democracy in two ways--by skewing the result as happened in the past two presidential selections, and by increasing voter apathy, thus reducing turnout, which always benefits the GOP.  So even as we can claim victory for getting our message out about vote fraud, the unfortunate side effect is that more people become increasingly distrustful of the whole system and use that as an excuse to stay home.  We must all do everything we can not only to vote ourselves, but to make sure our democrat supporting friends, neighbors and family members get to the polls too!  GET OUT THE VOTE has never been as important as it is now!

TIRED OF STOLEN ELECTIONS PEOPLE WE WANT THE PROBLEM FIXED

the fact that 90% of the people that took this poll and billions of people all over this country that also feel the same and for good reason, should be the deciding factor in wheather we change our system.

George W Bush and the Republican party have ran far too many elections in this country and we are sick and tired of these stolen elections and they are stolen.

You need to stop with the games and come out with the truth as it will set all of us free to go on and do the right thing for the voters in this country

Reda StCyr

stolen elections

I agree.

Ohio seems to be a particularly troublesome spot this year.

 

 

Electronic Voting Machines

In Nevada, the Secretary of State rejected the Diebold voting machines because they could not be audited. The machines that are used here, do have a paper trail. Just before I submit my vote to be tallied, I get to see a paper record, and to start over if I make a mistake, etc. This system is not perfect by any mean; I can think of at least a half-dozen ways in which even that paper trail could be altered behind the scenes, leading to an "audited" form of ballot-box stuffing. However, it's a step in the right direction--and VERY IMPORTANT, as Jack Carter, son of former President Jimmy Carter, is running for the US Senate here in a hotly contested race with Sen. Ensign (R-NV).

Nevada's other US Senator, Harry Reid (D-NV and Senate Minority Leader), had once headed the Nevada State Gaming Board, which oversees the integrity of Nevada's gaming system. This includes a VERY THOROUGH AUDIT of the electronic slot machines in Nevada's casinos, even when they're actually out on the floor. Nevada has set the lead in the auditability of electronic gaming machines, and I believe that we should be able to apply similar measures of auditability and accountability to our voting machines. The technology and the methodology is definitely there; what we lack is the political will. Not too surprising, since the GOP is the most likely beneficiary of any shenanigans that could pop up.

It isn't impossible to take on the sloppiness of the election system; Sen Reid, when he took over the Gaming Board in the 1970's, was effective in freeing the industry from the mob's ironclad grip (even getting an attempted car-bombing as a thank-you present!) I would suggest that Sen. Bayh, who's leading this campaign over the voting machines, get in touch with Sen. Reid on this issue if he hasn't already done so; I'm sure that Sen. Reid could offer some useful insights into what needs to be done.

Brain waves

Electronic weaponry is being used to subliminally influence us. This has been proven (see my posts under WeaponsTorture group at democrats.org and my websites: electrowell.info and electmagnetic.blogspot.com and targeted.blogspot.com

as well as here: electmagnetic.net

I have so many sites since I am trying to appeal to people to look, read, think and research. Stopping brain wave entrainment must be the top priority since changing voter boxes will not be challenging when they already have the ability to understand every facet of our brains via fMRI scanning. I have the ACLU post that they have sent an FOIA about brain scanning used to interrogate prisoners on my www.electrowell.info site, 'News' page.

You will find there is a Space fence around our earth that is radar to seek out enemy satellites, but yet HAARP information combined with such levels of massive surveillance must be addressed! Learn more about technology used covertly to harm humans.

This is unspeakable harm done to damage the whole entire human race! Many more things to learn... please, help me.

icsn2202.blip.tv are my torture story videos over the past year and more... many pages of this; my telling what has been happening to me in ELECTRONIC CAPTIVITY.

Brain waves... it's the latest thing.

 

 

Brain Wave invasions

Los Alamos National Labs in Los Alamos, New Mexico (home of the first A-bombs) has been working on such things, and even worse things, since the 1950's. Some of their info is not hard to obtain. They're quite proud of it. Although details are always sketchy. LANL is a very interesting place. Sandia Labs is a bit more well known, operating just a little further south in Albuquerque, NM. Rumors persist that the two labs are connected by deep under ground tunnels. Compared to other activities at these labs, under ground tunnels sound really reasonable. Much work has been done with laser weapons there; but few Americans would believe the kinds of things that seem common place to scientists at LANL. No sci-fi writer would ever get published proposing them. But sunflowers really do work to absorb and neutralize left over rads in the ground from the years of experimenting without paying much attention to the consequences of run-off and dumping waste.  *-)

Enjoy!

A.Crogh........>/<

my condolences

I'm sorry about your plight.

It's most likely that none of the people here have the means to help you with this problem.

Maybe you should try some other site, or do whatever you can to get help.

No election automation

I am a professional software engineer, have been for 20 years. The security of high speed financial transactions for brokers and banks has been well established for many, many years. However, these best practices ARE NOT implemented with the electronic voting kiosks of today--and since these good security practices are well known in the industry--there can be ONLY one reason why proper security has not been implemented. What is that?

I would ONLY trust paper ballots counted in front of television cameras with the whole world watching. I do not trust ANY OTHER scheme. They can all be gamed, and they are, and they have been, and they brag about it.

This is the ONLY issue that matters--without a fair and true democracy--no other policy positions matter-- guaranteeing accurate, fair, and trustworthy elections are the foundation of all else. It is time to take to the streets if necessary to fight for our rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely Agree

I also strongly believe that the software source code should be available for verification.  It is absolutely unbelievable that the inner workings of our voting machines remain 'secret' from independent evaluation.  Any software engineer could create an application that appears to function properly when subject to black-box testing and then performs in a different way when placed into service.

Electronic Voting Machines

TOTALLY, ABSOLUTELY AGREE. THE MOST IMPORTANT MATTER EVER!!!!!

 

RICHARD SAHN

electronic voting machines

  During the last presidential election, my son was living in Minnesota.When he went to vote, he voted Kerry/Edwards,but Bush's name was the one that came up on the machine.He cleared it, and did it again-same results.He finally called one of the volunteers over, and told them what happened. He was told by the volunteer not to worry about it, if he hit the button for Kerry/ Edwards, then his vote was for Kerry/Edwards. Luckily, my son has a head on his shoulders, and said he would rather not hit enter, clear the machine, and try a different one.

I read on www.buzzflash.com  that it was discovered that a common key, like the ones used to open hotel mini-bars, and jukeboxes, could easily open an electronic voting machine.In light of that, how can anyone even think there's such a thing as secure voting? 

HOW HARD IS THIS????

Please introduce a law in the congress stating

"ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES ARE ILLEGAL IN THE UNITED SYAYES OF AMERICA. ALL VOTING WILL BE DONE ON LOCALLY MONITORED, LOCALLY VERIFIED, LOCALLY COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS".

Forget paper trails. USE ONLY PAPER BALLOTS!!

CONTACT YOUR CONGRESS PERSONS.

paper ballots

I have been on the election board in my district for over 12 years now.  We use paper ballots, along with a compliment of equal number of dems and repubs.  If a ballot is too hard to understand it is put before a board of equal number of dems and repubs for verification and reading.  Almost no problem has been noted.  The one exception to this is the proper counting of those so called, "provisional ballots" we as dems sit on the board and verify what is being told to us in our district.  If the count seems askew, it is put before the state commission.  EVery one should have paper ballots, you can see before your own eyes what you have talllied.  There is no reason it cannot be in place all  over our country.   Smiley Flag 

Before democracy is cold and buried.....

I second this:
Forget paper trails. USE ONLY PAPER BALLOTS!!

I think I may make a bumper sticker to that effect!
deenpac

Voting machines

I'm in San Diego, California, and during the last primary here, the ballots were paper... you checked a box, or entered a name for a write-in candidate. Pretty simple and easy... no information sitting in the memory of a computer, no way to push a wrong button or be "hacked".

The only problem with that is making sure none of the precinct workers are being illegaly "influenced" in any way by one party or another — just a matter of good oversight by whoever the unbiased entity in charge of ballot checking is. I guess that's my "best case scenario" and how I feel things really ought to be, but whether it's really achievable is anybody's guess.

I have no idea what's in store for me when I go to the polls in November.

Voting Machines

The question whether I trust voting machines or not is somewhat misdirected. I would better trust these machines if only one could obtain a printed paper receipt after casting one's vote.

As things went here in Florida, brother Jeb vetoed the establishing of any paper trail for elections in this state, need I say more...?

The US is now as good as most if not all African or Latin American countries where so many elections are habitually stolen...! As a result we ended up with that moron in the White House, that needless war in Irak and a destabilized world scene, America has lost its moral world leadership, where will it all end if this shame continues..?

People! Wake up! We simply can't tolerate this awful mess to continue..!

 

 

A receipt is not enough

The so-called paper trail is not enough if you can't be sure that what you hold in your hand is really what's in the machine.

 

Vote by Mail!

In Oregon, we vote by mail. No standing in line in the rain. No Diebold machines that lie & steal. We can vote in our pajama's during a dinnertime discussion. It works like a Champ & we wonder routinely why there isn't more effort to change our national elections to this user friendly system?

vote by mail like Oregon with 2 copys sent to self

good idea nationwide vote by mail like Oregon with  copy sent to self as well as to independent overseer for backup tally. Also national elections should be by popular vote NOT electoral. that would unite the people of all states and do away with divide and conquer RED/Blue states.

mail in votes

on multiple part forms... very good idea, especially that YOU get a copy back — kind of like a return receipt, say stamped with date it was received by the agency in charge of receiving and logging in the votes.

The original forms could be numbered, then the agency who handles the votes when they're received could even provide a 2nd confirmation/tracking number when they return it.

Oh, and lets not forget the 'postage paid' envelope, so there's no excuse not to mail it back.

Definitely need to get the electoral college crap out of the picture once and for all! Every person has the right to be represented by their own vote... period.

A little bad news about Oregon Vote by Mail

It is true that in Oregon we vote by mail on paper ballots -- that's the good news. 

The bad news is that 100% of those votes are counted by ES&S or Sequoia, two companies notorious for election fraud and abuse. 

The only reason we've been spared any trouble SO FAR in Oregon is that our Secretary of State is probably the most stand-up and ethical politician on the planet.  If he goes, Oregon could "suddenly and suprisingly" (against all odds and in conflict with pre-election polls) elect a whole bunch of Republicans before we know what hit us.

There are moves in Oregon to have every jurisdiction do some local audits to verify the counts -- it's a great idea to protect us against a right-wing / Rethuglican SoS if one should come along. 

Charlie L
Portland, OR
CLL2001@Gmail.com

Paper only, and nothing in the private sector.

What you say about the vote-counting points up another essential element of any truly democratic electoral process--no part of it should be turned over to the private sector. (Well, other than the doughnuts for the poll workers.) For citizens to allow the essential, defining act of a democracy to be privatized is just insane.

A Lot of People Will Probably Vote By Mail Since 2004!

I always enjoyed goint to the voting booth to cast my ballot and wore my 'I Voted' sticker proudly!  But after 2004, forget it!  I will probably never go out to vote again!  It isn't so much the comfort and convience, but I worry someone will get the bright idea to use voting machines and steal my vote.  I never thought this would happen in America!

Whom to trust?

Of course I do not trust electronic machines - no more than I trust gambling machines in Vegas.

I heard that absentee ballots are often either not counted, or worse: not counted AND destroyed.

How do we make sure that our votes are counted?

 What happened to good old pen-and-paper ballots? What happened to trustworthy, hones people who counted ballots?

Re: Whom to trust?

I love the way MsMalgoska makes the comparison of Diabold's voting machines with the electronic slots in a casino!  So fitting.

We live in Florida and we've been "double-dipped" in Bushes for far too long!!!  In our little county of 130,000 people, we still have the pen and color in the egg shaped character for our preferences.  But in the multi-million populated counties of Miami/Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties, they have the electronic cheating Diabold (I wonder if they are a subsidiary of Halliburton?) machines. They did a practice run in Tallahassee, after sending all these computerized machines to the largest counties, and informed the Jebster (baby brother of GWB and our govenor) that there were "bugs" in the system, which could be fixed!!  This was in June for the 2002 election in October.  The Jebster, keeping with Katherine Harris' proclivity for the "truth," said there was not enough money in the budget to work out the "bugs."  The Jebster's standard excuse is always "...not enough time" or "not enough money in the budget."  Hence, the big mess-up with thousands of votes not being counted, especially in precincts that are predominately in black communities.

We voted early in 2002 because we were gonna be out of town at the election date.  We later on found out that the EARLY VOTES and the WRITE IN VOTES WERE COUNTED LAST JUST BEFORE CLOSING OUT THE ELECTION RESULTS!

'The Nazz'